Sunday, May 17, 2015

Another Reason Illinois is Broke

Along the lines of the below Navy Pier article, they're paying for poor performance:
  • The only thing Illinois Gov. Bruce Rauner wants to say about his state’s pension system is that he thinks the required payouts are so burdensome, there should be a constitutional amendment that would allow him to cut them.

    Rauner himself is a former private equity executive who managed hundreds of millions of dollars from public pension funds (including some in Illinois). As the pension funding crisis has become increasingly acute, he has avoided talking about how his own industry may have contributed to the crisis: specifically, through high fees and underperformance -- and, according to a new report, influence peddling.


  • This new study suggests the involvement of placement agents in pension investments may have significantly worsened pension liabilities in states that were already facing substantial gaps between what they’ve saved for workers’ retirement and what they are contractually obligated to pay out in benefits.

    In Illinois, where Rauner is pushing retirement benefit cuts, the trend is illustrative. There, the $18.9 billion Illinois State Universities Retirement System (SURS) used placement agents for 15.6 percent of its private equity investments -- which then underperformed the pension fund’s other private equity investments by -9.2 percent. The underperformance may have cost the system hundreds of millions of dollars, money could have been used to shore up the plan’s funding.
The middle men get rich, while public employees get fleeced - twice. Read it all - the article ties in California, New York and Virginia under-performing funds along with Illinois.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yup...

Politically connected pension fund "managers" acting in collusion with mayoral appointees to pension boards have facilitated the criminal mismanagement and theft from our pension fund for decades...

That's why mayors leaned on local media to hot up the bullshit narrative about "Greedy Cops and their sweet early retirements and cush pay-outs."

Plenty of rotten m/fers on the local scene need to be marched up the scaffold stairs for their criminal collusion.

They're absolutely giddy over the possibility of Policemen having their pensions stolen from them.

One poster on another thread dropped a comment about Neil "Wife-Beater" Steinberg doing some shit-talk about hopefully making Policemen take nickels and dimes to the dollar on their pensions.

5/17/2015 01:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe the Occupy Wall Street idiots had a point?

5/17/2015 02:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey SCC!

Stop knocking middlemen!

Didn't our illustrious mayor, Rahm al-Ghoul make his
personal fortune doing the same type of shit these thieving, money-conjuring, middleman motherfucks have done?

Look at those smug assholes laughing up their sleeves as they prepare to steal from Policemen and fully e left to escape unscathed.

We have an idea when the REAL shooting should start...

Actually, the shooting and lynching should have started with the Enron mess...

These neo-corporatist buccaneers would have second thoughts when they saw the churls coming through the door with rakes, pitchforks and hot fire...

5/17/2015 02:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm and Rauner will pick the best people for managing the pensions. But what are Rahm's and Rauner's goals?

High Returns?
Steady Returns?
Under the Media and Quiet Operations?
-or-
Good kickbacks?
Generous Political Contributions?
Glorious Parties for the Clouted?

5/17/2015 02:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trust them, they'll fully fund the pension. They just keep putting it off because they can't find the spare change in the petty cash drawer.

5/17/2015 02:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off Topic,

But Ferguson, NYC, and Baltimore all had PAID Rabble Rousers.
The protest leaders and organizers were paid.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/breaking-ferguson-protest-leaders-paid-5000-a-month-to-disrupt-riot/

And if something happens in Chicago, you will face the same professional mob leaders.

5/17/2015 03:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

#1Reason why Illinois is Broke: Democrat Politicians

5/17/2015 05:24:00 AM  
Blogger SpankDaddy said...

If the agents don't make money, why should they be paid?

5/17/2015 06:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am 57 years old and at this point, I really don't care. I have seen through the lens of my old age how the world really works. It is unjust, uncaring and dog eat dog. That is the way it will always be. I just don't care because in the end the sociopaths will do whatever they want anyways.

5/17/2015 07:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why never talks about cuts in the freeloader/public aid system? Time limits? Perhaps bring back the projects? If you don't want to live there, get a job, move out....

5/17/2015 08:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT- Am i the only one that received a ridiculous high sewer and water bill in the mail?

5/17/2015 08:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please tell use something we didn't know. Also let's mention the politicians. They used some of the pension money's and never payed it back. Now complaining and wanting to reduce someone's pension who has paid his/her share. Let's look at the Links System with illegals using it and costing millions. Oh, lets not forget the warfare and medical systems and the fraud they generate. Million upon millions of dollars just gone and washed. Oh again, am I using the word washed and offending someone; they (the politicians) created this mess and are saying they can't fix it. Let speak the truth, catering to a group and believing this is going to keep you in office is building on weak and shifting sands. And now its falling apart and they want us to sacrifice to make their political agenda work. Fuck the politicians seriously.

5/17/2015 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Simply put: Rauner you got what you didn't earn. I want what I earned and what is an obligation On your part. I will accept nothing less.

5/17/2015 08:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Told y'all

And do you think that your pension money is being invested with firms that have given campaign donations to Rahm and other political cronies?

It's all rigged.

5/17/2015 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just hearing now on the radio -- GTCR, Rauner's "hedge fund" firm, gave Hilary Clinton $280,000 "for making a speech."

WSJ says "Clintons Receive More Than $25 Million From Speeches in Past 16 Months."

...and there was Bruce in his Carhartts and s__tkickers, riding his Harley around telling everyone he was a "bird hunter." Yeah, crashing through the underbrush in search of the Eagle That Flies On Friday -- the kind of bird that nests in sealed canvas bags with "Federal Reserve" on them.

Now we need to remodel the Governor's Mansion and maybe screw a new 200-story state office building into the hole left from the failed "Chicago Spire" after he sells off the leaking, under/overheated Thompson Center.

"Budget cuts?" Not for some people.

5/17/2015 09:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I didn't know Rauner was powerfull enough to drive the entire US economy. So who needs him anyway? The Combine and the unions (but I repeat myself) can and will drive IL into bankrupcy all by themselves.

5/17/2015 09:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll bet that after reading this story you can recall Miriam Santos who wanted to stop Daley from raiding the pension funds, but instead was caught doing political fundraising on government time. another example of the fox's running the chicken house.

5/17/2015 10:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey ssc I hate to admit but get use to it, they are going cut pension benefits in the future a hyprid smaller pension along with a 401k hopefully Chicago will be generous with the matching amounts , don't blame rahm blame daley and the inbreeds of both the 11th n19th wards.

5/17/2015 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Simple answer. Get a job in the private sector. Don't work for the government whether local, county or state. Don't work for the feds either.

5/17/2015 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The middle men get rich while public employees get fleeced - twice..."

Dead on the money SCC...
No pun intended.

For a tidy cross referrence, note the Rolling Stone magazine articles from early last year about how the
Wall Street cabal and by proxy the LaSalle Street crew
here in Chicago, are behind the move to disinvest muni-gov employees of their traditional pensions and dump them all into 401K plans so.

The lick they plan to hit?
Skim the vigorish on the investment instruments/vehicles via "management fees" while getting kick-backs from the decayed-ass m/fers holding those instruments/driving those vehicles...

It's not only a closed loop, but a vicious circle of intentional design to disappear your money into THEIR
pockets.

"Look at all that muni-gov employee pension money just sittin' there doin' nuttin' for US!"

Said pension monies are the last of the relatively unfucked with "Honey Pots" of money.

The doers of fiscal bojankery in the realm of municipal
finance began whispering slippery shit in the ears of
democrat controlled urban center mayors about the merits (not) of dipping into muni employee pension
funds as an extension of municipal budgets.

(Pause for effect)

You know... Shortshanks an' shit...


Where Chicago is shown on the map should be marked by a skeleton pointing a bony finger at a line of cursive script...

"Yonder lies corruption and collusion to conceal said corruption."

So then?

"Hey citizens!
Those greedy Cops get sweet early retirement in their early 50's and cush $100K pensions while YOU lost
YOUR'S when the market simultaneously puked and shit after getting overheated. Why should Cops have it good? Aren't your TAXES paying their over-inflated salaries and benefits?"

Etc.
And so on...

So the simple-minds out there are riled up to the point where collectively, Policemen can't seem to do a damned thing right nowadays in spite of their best efforts.

Oh yeah... Crisis not going to waste like a mofo.

"The Police are the problem... Once we fix THEM,
everything else will fall in place."

Oh really?



5/17/2015 12:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Simple answer. Get a job in the private sector. Don't work for the government whether local, county or state. Don't work for the feds either.

5/17/2015 11:15:00 AM

Smoke that good shit much?

5/17/2015 12:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When the mafia does it, it's skimming and it's a crime. When the banksters and politicians do it....what's different?

5/17/2015 12:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is why you don't want an "Agency" or a "Board" managing your money. You lose control of the investments.

Instead of these "Pensions" we need 401K-style retirement plans where the EMPLOYEE can sock away their money (and maybe, just maybe the municipal or State entity will kick in some $$$ once in a while). And best of all - the EMPLOYEE can manage their own money how they see fit.

For those who don't have the mental wherewithal to manage their own money, they can hire an agent, and if the agent loses money, they can deal with it...

No more of this nonsense...

5/17/2015 01:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The fools in charge should be screaming from the roof tops about what a horrible Mayor Daley was and the destruction he caused. Instead they want to honor him and his crook wife by putting their names on stuff. He deserves a prison cell not a monument.

5/17/2015 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how much OF OUR MONEY did Daley's nephew lose? He took his hefty fees also

5/17/2015 01:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

F** k Neil Steinberg! He is a poster boy for what is wrong with the Left leaning Fourth Estate!

Maybe he does not like the Police after being arrested for the drunken pummeling of Mrs .Steinberg.

5/17/2015 02:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>>Anonymous said...
Simple answer. Get a job in the private sector. Don't work for the government whether local, county or state. Don't work for the feds either.

5/17/2015 11:15:00 AM<<<

...and if I earn a PRIVATE PENSION I won't loose 60% of my Social Security benefits because thriven Demo-Communists stole it to fund their non-productive /non-citizen voting base.

5/17/2015 02:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He's about as sneaky and weasely as his Wine Club pal Rahm. He will run Illinois like one of his investment acquisitions, paint it up financially and unload it in 4 yrs to the next Gov who will take realize the flim-flam by 2020 when everything tanks.
He dropped $400,000 of his campaign cash into every Rep member of Congress....
"Rauner says his $20 million political fund helps him push his agenda and counter the influence of “special interests” such as labor unions in the Democrat-controlled Legislature.
This state is done.
Try to put more $$ into Deferred Comp because the Pension is going the way of Soc Security. I don't trust any politicians promise on guarantee our Pension rights, Constitution or not.

5/17/2015 03:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...placement agents..."

I have never heard that term before but I always thought they existed.

Is this correct..

If defined in the Demo-Communist/Illinois Cesspool of Corruption... PLACEMENT AGENT (noun) is a person who earn fees, usually exorbitant, buy getting pension funds, such as ours, to buy stocks and assets at inflated prices before those stocks and assets take a dive. No wonder our pension is underfunded.

Speaking of Suspicious Financial Items.

I have been getting emails advertising about a FREE Financial Planning Seminar regarding Deferred Comp Plans to be given at Gibson's Steakhouse.

Now I am not sure if it is the same people but no one does this for free. They will be selling something.

As soon as I retired there was a Certified Financial Planner as part of the Retirement Seminar and we had his "free consultation". He wanted me to roll-over my IRAs into my Deferred Comp Plan. We talked about what we could and withdrawing funds.

His fee was to be a percentage of my Deferred Comp Portfolio. I can't remember the percent but it would have cost me about $4,000 that first year. I politely said NO. His hourly rate was as I recall $350.00.

Stay Safe and $tay $afe.

5/17/2015 03:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT- Am i the only one that received a ridiculous high sewer and water bill in the mail?

5/17/2015 08:17:00 AM

Unless you actually use a ton of water, look into having a water meter installed. Bunch of guys in my district have done it and saved hundreds on each bill.

5/17/2015 04:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no pension cuts until welfare is reduced by 50% and not $1 of tax payer dollars is used to house , clothe , feed , educate or medical care for any person that entered the USA illegally

5/17/2015 05:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The little guy always gets it in the ass! Rauner is a asshole...

5/17/2015 06:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) 9 killed in biker gang brawl but as usual the lowly police officers saved the day! Thought Feds kept track of this? Guess they only want to go after officers you know like at their homes after being cleared of shootings to protect themselves or others from thugs!

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/17/us/texas-shooting/index.html

You don't mess with Texas!

5/17/2015 06:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5/17/2015 06:44:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am 57 years old and at this point, I really don't care. I have seen through the lens of my old age how the world really works. It is unjust, uncaring and dog eat dog. That is the way it will always be. I just don't care because in the end the sociopaths will do whatever they want anyways.

5/17/2015 07:44:00 AM
Me also retiring in September 29 and a day see ya! Anyone who stays past max really needs psychological evaluation ASAP!

5/17/2015 06:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Simple answer. Get a job in the private sector. Don't work for the government whether local, county or state. Don't work for the feds either.

5/17/2015 11:15:00 AM

How cavalier. Well, I'm 60yoa and it's a bit late for that.

5/17/2015 06:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT- Am i the only one that received a ridiculous high sewer and water bill in the mail?

5/17/2015 08:17:00 AM

Yes.

5/17/2015 07:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's the thing, Second City Cop! We, the taxpayers, aren't the ones that screwed you over! It was the politicians, that "your" own union bosses helped to elect & kept electing, that squandered the funds! So, unless you want to take "them" to court individually, you're out of luck! We don't have the money!!!

5/17/2015 07:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT- Am i the only one that received a ridiculous high sewer and water bill in the mail?

5/17/2015 08:17:00 AM

No. In fact, you are late to the game. Be happy you just got your "haircut" now.

5/17/2015 07:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys, like it or not; there is a bankruptcy in Chicago's future. Wait until after the new fiscal year has begun.... The fact is the debt and pension issue is too big; and growing.. a property tax increase is not enough... Believe it or not, the ball is in the mayor's court... he files for bankruptcy, the slate will be wipe clean.. Federal rules will overtake all things state/city/county... Then..., then, economic growth will happen - companies will come... Gov employees will be affected the most... you can thank the officials you have elected and kept in office... Dried you clean... there should be term limits in Illinois.... sad what the pols have done here...

5/17/2015 07:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bruce is conservatively pegged at having 55 million in the bank, of his own money,wonder the interest he gets? How much is from our investments? We have been stolen from (The DV Daley vaneko urban ventures lost over 60 million), What people at the top of our pension freely give away the money,that the blood,sweat and tears from patrolmen who have invested 9% every paycheck never short never late, OK bottom line who gave our money away? Was it the head of pension baord and his crew? Why does dean want to negotiate anything on our pensions? Maybe just maybe if this happens we need a huge group effort we need to march into a pension board meeting and arrest the criminals at the top, next on to doctor (lol) Dean and march him out ala Shields!

5/17/2015 08:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm surprised that you don't have a post about the fireman that got only 2 years probation for preying on children.

5/17/2015 09:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cut Welfare, Food Stamps, Obama Phones, etc; NOT Pensions.

5/17/2015 09:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am 57 years old and at this point, I really don't care. I have seen through the lens of my old age how the world really works. It is unjust, uncaring and dog eat dog. That is the way it will always be. I just don't care because in the end the sociopaths will do whatever they want anyways.

Until we Frag them, Nam-style.

5/17/2015 09:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here's the thing, Second City Cop! We, the taxpayers, aren't the ones that screwed you over! It was the politicians, that "your" own union bosses helped to elect & kept electing, that squandered the funds! So, unless you want to take "them" to court individually, you're out of luck! We don't have the money!!!

5/17/2015 07:08:00 PM

You, the taxpayer, screwed us over when you repeatedly voted for those who stole my pension fund.

5/17/2015 11:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Daley got rid of Miriam Santos for trying to protect our pensions

5/17/2015 11:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Um, Rauner is not the answer and he cannot solve the financial problems of this state. The city and state are too far down the soil line. And lets not get on under performing investments the fault ot people like Rauner.
Rather our economy has been under perfroming for years, and more than a decade in this state. It is not so much entirely the fault of investment managers as it is about about incompetent and corrupt politicans who make made laws and poor trade deals. They negotiate John Kerry style and it sucks.

5/17/2015 11:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city may not even be able to pay their share of the social security contribution. Forget about getting any 401k or 457 plan match.

5/18/2015 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5/17/2015 01:20:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
F** k Neil Steinberg! He is a poster boy for what is wrong with the Left leaning Fourth Estate!

Maybe he does not like the Police after being arrested for the drunken pummeling of Mrs .Steinberg.

5/17/2015 02:36:00 PM

Bet you everything in the nearly full one gallon jug of loose change (no pennies) that ol' Neal flexed his muscles at the responding officers, struck a defiant/non-compliant pose and got slammed and
cuffed for resisting/fighting.

>House shaking body slam<

Lol at the visual of Steinberg sitting in a smoking crater with just his shoes and his ears visible.

That's gotta be why Neal seems such a transparently petulant sore-head.

His articles (real journalists are credited with "columns") pertaining to things Police-y have a dismissive, smug and revanchist tone...

Actually it would have been hilarious if the missus had large and angry menfolk to intercede on her behalf instead of the police being called.

"M/Fer did WHAT?
Be right there..."

Vroom!
Screeee!
Ding-Dong!

1000+ pounds of angry, personified by four or five robust men gathered around and breathing on him.

5/18/2015 12:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, R U telling me Sam Christian doesn't deserve his post $150K pension?
Fucking unreal that people can pull that off and land another nice "I'll tell U what to do" gig.
It's funny at this point

5/18/2015 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why hasn't the BGA or our great newspapers asked Alderman Burke, or Virginia Rugai why they supported Daley's pension holidays? Didn't the Sun-Times get a big tax break to locate their new printing center near Archer and Ashland? Hasn't it now closed down and become a food warehouse? Stink???

5/18/2015 12:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but he disagrees with taxing millionaires more.....fucking hypocrite.....

5/18/2015 08:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those flunkies on the pension board are just as guilty as the politicians. The day of torches and pitchforks is fast approaching.

5/18/2015 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill Clinton to be speaking at Rahm I. Emanuel's "inauguration" downtown at the Chicago Theater..."

What a soiree' this will be. Bathrooms jammed, overloaded, flooding as "one hand" frantically washes "the other." Couldn't be skipped even in the middle of junk-bond ratings and incipient bankruptcy...

5/18/2015 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Rauner’s firm, GTCR, in which he retains a substantial equity stake, admits in SEC filings that it uses placement agents to raise money from public pension funds."

The operative word being FROM pension funds and not FOR pension funds. It's time the public learns something we've known all along, those charged with making money for the pension funds only make money for themselves and there has been no oversight except to protect these fund banksters so that they may continue raping municipal and state pensions. Now that they have succeeded and gotten paid billions they want to cry broke and make the working class suffer. It's a crooked system and the middle classing poor are fed up.

5/18/2015 12:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bruce is net worth anywhere between 600m to 1billion

5/18/2015 04:09:00 PM  

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