10 Hour Day Survey (UPDATE)
Patrol released this reminders for feedback on the pilot program:
Using your PC# keeps the trolls from answering the survey. So you have 005 and Area South Saturation evaluating this thing. First up, you really shouldn't have a phone call unit answering this survey:
- they run two shifts, so there isn't the overlap that will short an actual watch equipment
- we just love how they promise the results will be released to ensure transparency - like the J-Fled survey
- it's a phone call unit answering a survey logged under their PC# - they're expected to answer honestly? In Chicago? When they can be dumped at a moment's notice?
- who is actually watching? Does the FOP have a rep monitoring the inbox? Who's to say the answers released are actually the answers submitted?
Everyone knows McCarthy wants this. He has threatened people to get on board or get out. He has stated at CompStat words to the effect of "You see who won the election? I'm not going anywhere." So he most likely has Rahm's blessing to continue destroying the Department.
Where's the part about FOP members getting to vote on the 10-hour day proposal...like last time they changed the schedule. We had a voice. Now? No one knows. And they're going to use the input of a single district of 300 officers along with a phone call unit to stick the 10-hour day down the throats (or up the asses) of 9,000?
We sense big problems ahead.
UPDATE: Does anyone actually think a Unit does a 10-hour day? Please.
Where's the part about FOP members getting to vote on the 10-hour day proposal...like last time they changed the schedule. We had a voice. Now? No one knows. And they're going to use the input of a single district of 300 officers along with a phone call unit to stick the 10-hour day down the throats (or up the asses) of 9,000?
We sense big problems ahead.
UPDATE: Does anyone actually think a Unit does a 10-hour day? Please.
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posted by SCC at 12:33 AM
62 Comments:
Say NO to the 10 hour days. If you think there is enough STREET now, just wait and see if the department goes 10 hours. This department is not what it use to be and to work for some.of these BOSSES now a days. I'm praying it doesn't happen. Don't care how many days you get off a week. 4 and 2 is less stressful.
Fuck them and their ten hour day. In light of everything going on in this country where police are being recorded, second-guessed, or portrayed as out-of-control by the media, it's time to lay back, stop being proactive, stop writing tickets, and just respond to calls. Give everyone the report needed. Be like the fire dept. and come out when called. Otherwise, forget it. Rahm wants more with less, wants to screw with our pension, and he still has this mush-mouthed carpetbagger from NYC running this dept. right into the ground. They don't deserve shit from us. And before I get the "it's your job" responses, think about how much you've done on this job, how many weekends you worked, how many family events you've missed, how much shit you've dealt with regarding goofy bosses, incompetent bosses, clouted bosses (see a theme here?), stuck in a place for ages because they never hire so people move up, total nonsense when it comes to promotional tests, or a plethora of other things that are wrong with this job in the last 10-15yrs....not to mention the everyday craziness we deal with just doing this job. The shit we put up with is ridiculous, and now they want to jam this down our throats too. Fuck you, rahm, fuck you garry.
Get on board or get out? You're a loser if you have to say that phrase.
Wow what a scam. No one will be truthful cause they will no who you are. I know for a fact the troops hate it.
"We sense big problems ahead."
You're probably correct...
Nowhere in the current contract was I able to locate a 'Memorandum of Understanding' regarding the 10.5 hour workday pilot program.
The ONLY thing referencing a change in workday hours/schedules is the MOU from 13 Nov 2009 (effective 10 Jan 2010) when they piloted several different schedules. This can be found on pages 126-135 in the new contract book recently distributed by the Flop Crew.
The screenshot regarding this survey reads that the PBPA is [also] involved in the collection of "feedback regarding the merits or shortcomings of the current work schedule". Was FLOP buffaloed into having the Bossholes exclusively make the determination of whether the 10.5's stay or not? Did FLOP perhaps purposely allow this language to be included? The pessimist in me says this survey is all smoke and mirrors; much like J-Fled's 'Morale Survey', these results will never see the light of day. Soon thereafter, they'll tell us to expect implementation citywide because of the resounding support for it as evidenced by the survey takers.
Additionally, if your peruse Section VII of Department Notice D14-10 "Bureau of Patrol 10.5 Hour Squad Schedule - Pilot Program", it reads: "A pilot program evaluation committee will be established BY THE DEPARTMENT relative to this program. The committee will meet as needed and make recommendations to continue, expand, modify, or terminate this pilot program under the direction of the Chief, Bureau of Patrol. The committee will review the effectiveness of the pilot progarm and evaluate personnel and operational matters, including:
A. personnel assignments, overtime earned, and medical roll use.
B. supervisory oversight and accountability.
C. changes to reported crime conditions, dispatched calls for service, and radio assignments pending (RAPs) situations.
In case you haven't noticed, nowhere in A, B or C will you find officer fatigue, the use of elective time or anything else directly related to those this program effects the most specifically addressed. Everything listed is in the interest of the supervisors, the citizenry and the City - NOT US.
So the DEPARTMENT establishes the evaluation committee, huh? Do we have any idea who sits on this committee? Are the rank and file directly affected by this pilot program proportionately represented? Does FLOP have a seat at this table, or is their input limited to the canned, semi-elusive responses they regularly spout at the general meetings when members inquire ('no one says the ten-and-a-halfs are going citywide! The program in 005 has to be evaluated before anything happens'!)?
Just remember...if it benefits the City, it'll be done. It fucking us simultaneously is only icing on the cake for the Tiny Dancer.
NYPD here and Ive been following this topic while scratching my head. We currently work 8:35 5on/3off one week and 5/2 the next week. Most neighboring departments work either 10/12 hr tours and we are begging for them. What is the downside with the way its being implemented there?
Uh....what's your definition of a "phone call unit"? You don't need a phone call to get in there. It isn't Narcotics or Intelligence.
Fuck you and the ten hour days! I will do less than nothing on this beat car!
Stack the deck. Win every time.
Dr Dean is going to be a 1 term wonder at FOP.
FOP 's board better wake up or they will be back in patrol in that 10 hour day talking about the good old days like Mikey shields foot guy!
This 10 hour day fiasco is coming fast and furious.
Rahm and McNumbnuts couldn't care less about our opinions or feedback.
I see days in my future.....
Since Tact and Gangs only work two watches, perhaps let them work the ten hour day schedule first, citywide.
So the city can change our schedule to a ten hour day without our input? What will the FOP do? If we take this sitting down then we are pussies and deserve everything that is coming to us. We need to stand strong and together against the 10 hour day.
Óh please the SAT team does not do 10 hours
McCarthy takes IN nothing. He only spews outward. Not the sign of a good manager.
What about people assigned to 005 but detailed out? Do they get to vote?
Whats a phone call unit!!
kma
Just like the squad scheduling survey.... They don't care what works and what doesn't work. The union just wants to pretend they care. So they can turn around and say we sent out surveys, but nobody responded negatively. The squad program is a disaster is my district and nobody cares!!!! Move along nothing to see here.
Glad I am retired. Have fun working those long shitty hrs. Will burn up your cu faster too. City wants people to retire with minimal cu on books. Sure it will suck donkey dick.
This job sucks! Fuck Mc Cartthy and that midget Rahm! Just a couple of big assholes!!!!
If the City or Department wanted it, they would just implement it. End of story. There is no contractual right to work ours or days off. It is a scheduling issue and is not part of bargaining. Seniority for watch is, but the City determines the watch. Even if there are only 2......
NOOOOOOO 10 hours
Make Dean-0 work 8pm to 6am!!
NYPD here and Ive been following this topic while scratching my head. We currently work 8:35 5on/3off one week and 5/2 the next week. Most neighboring departments work either 10/12 hr tours and we are begging for them. What is the downside with the way its being implemented there?
Hey Nypd I would work your schedule any day...if you want to work 1630-0300 or 1830-0500 for the rest of your career come on over!
Also the only way the whole city will get the 10s is if the FOP lets them do it...we have a contract the states there are to be 3 watches..
Say NO to the 10 hour days. If you think there is enough STREET now, just wait and see if the department goes 10 hours. This department is not what it use to be and to work for some.of these BOSSES now a days. I'm praying it doesn't happen. Don't care how many days you get off a week. 4 and 2 is less stressful.
Correction: STREES
Well written and researched comment IFIYGD. Does anyone know more about whether or not the WHOLE membership will get to vote on this bullshit schedule? Count me as a NO vote!!!!
Phone call unit, it's more of the opposite they have to force people in there.
But 10 hr days there is much differnt than 10 hrs on a best car. Apples and oranges
the names and pc #'s need to be released, so we can compare them. NO CHEATING, Dean!!!
Unfortunately guys we along with our FOP will have no say in the matter. They may ask our opinions but it's just for show. It will happen no matter what if the city wants it. There will be no voting or anything else. It's all about money.
Fop screws us yet again
It's time to get rid of deano.
The 10hr day or some form of it will happen. The city sees big $$$ savings and with todays financial climate it is seen as a must! They don't think much past the $$$ savings because that's all that matters to them. FOP's opinion or lack of is not a factor to city hall.
All the Lieutenants in 005 bid out excepy 1...yep the 10 hour days are great
How does a 10 hour shift work in a 24 hour unit logically?
Logic & this place don't collide in the same sentence.
Let units work 10 hours, keep district LE the old fashioned way that has worked since eons past
Bring on the 10.5 hr. tours of duty because the truth of the matter is that a grand majority of officers prefer it. That's right, that old dept is history and so is that 8.5 hr. shit. The fact of the matter is that the city of Chicago does not need our consent nor the fraternity's to make this change. The reality is that Rahm will save the taxpayer's big money by getting rid of that third watch. "CHA-CHEENG !"
I welcome 10 hour days. First everyone was crying about 4-2 schedule now they love it. Get seniority to get early car or bid out of the ghetto.
The city sucks. The Mayor sucks. The super intendant sucks. If this department goes to 10 hour days it will suck more than it already does. How can we not have a say in something that could impact our home lives so drastically. Lil shit Dean and those other assholes at FOP shouldn't get comfortable. If this happens they are all gone. Can't stand this place
I took the survey and want to know why they ask for my gender, race and age. What does this have to do with if I like the 10 hrs or not. Which by the way I said nope.
Fk the 10.5 hr. 4-2 works fine. Leave it alone. If it ain't broke don't fix it. It will kill what small amount of family life we have. And for those of us with working spouses and little children that need rides to/from school the start times are going to SUCK. More days off but more hours worked. It's an illusion to benefit the city folks. $. Fight it. Vote no. Keep 4-2.
Anonymous said...
Say NO to the 10 hour days. If you think there is enough STREET now, just wait and see if the department goes 10 hours. This department is not what it use to be and to work for some.of these BOSSES now a days. I'm praying it doesn't happen. Don't care how many days you get off a week. 4 and 2 is less stressful.
Correction: STREES
4/18/2015 02:32:00 PM
Almost there, Big Guy. Third time's the charm.
Why can't it be 4 on three off of 10.5 and better start times, will that work?
A few years back everyone wanted the 10 hr day . Now they have it. Enjoy!
I said yes to survey for 10 hour days
8:27...
The Lts. are leaving 005 because its 005, not because of the 10 hr day.
They are actually the only rank that liked this schedule, for obvious reasons.
Anonymous said...
8:27...
The Lts. are leaving 005 because its 005, not because of the 10 hr day.
They are actually the only rank that liked this schedule, for obvious reasons.
4/19/2015 09:37:00 AM
Save your breathe man. People with 34 seconds on the job work in 005, have never worked anywhere else and think its the best place in the world. These are the same fuckheads that are appalled they have to work "midnights." They cannot fathom the reality that the 005th district is complete shit hole, inside and out.
Save your breathe was intentional.
I love the ten hour day!
Anonymous said...
Say NO to the 10 hour days. If you think there is enough STREET now, just wait and see if the department goes 10 hours. This department is not what it use to be and to work for some.of these BOSSES now a days. I'm praying it doesn't happen. Don't care how many days you get off a week. 4 and 2 is less stressful.
Correction: STREES
4/18/2015 02:32:00 PM
Almost there, Big Guy. Third time's the charm.
4/19/2015 01:25:00 A
Leave him alone. He is in the process of a very stressful fart thats is coming in your direction
Why can't it be 4 on three off of 10.5 and better start times, will that work?
4/19/2015 03:29:00 AM
Because then you have the same days off every week. There is no rotation.
Hey "Marc" with the "bring on 10.5 hr days," will you be so enthusiastic when we are downsized further by eliminating a watch thus less people paying into the pension thus an even worse crisis? You must be a self server Marc.
I would be fine with 10 hr days, if it was like how it is in some of the suburban depts, 4 on 3 off..... how the fuck do we work 5 days in a row, with a 10.5 hr day????
The City wants to cut manpower badly!
Why would a afternoon guy want to work till most of the midnight shift is over?
You will also notice the city never mentions bidding to a start time.
I WOULD never recommend a slow down.
But the hairgel generation and the Twitter coppers are more into posting piks then fighting for their right!
Dean cut the deal you might want to attend a FOP meeting in the future and ask him what is going on.
He did screw 18th district with an extra watch for the clouted.
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Anonymous said...
Say NO to the 10 hour days. If you think there is enough STREET now, just wait and see if the department goes 10 hours. This department is not what it use to be and to work for some.of these BOSSES now a days. I'm praying it doesn't happen. Don't care how many days you get off a week. 4 and 2 is less stressful.
Correction: STREES
4/18/2015 02:32:00 PM
Almost there, Big Guy. Third time's the charm.
4/19/2015 01:25:00 AM
LMAO
Anonymous said...
A few years back everyone wanted the 10 hr day . Now they have it. Enjoy!
4/19/2015 06:01:00 AM
That was a totally different schedule that still had 3 watches. This new 10.5 schedule equals death to your marriage and death to your relationships with your children. But no one at City Hall cares about that $hit.
Why can't it be 4 on three off of 10.5 and better start times, will that work?
4/19/2015 03:29:00 AM
Because then you have the same days off every week. There is no rotation.
4/19/2015 02:41:00 PM
Boss material right there ^^^
Why cant it be 4 and 3 - REALLY?
This department is so screwed.
The 10 hour day gives Officers 32 days off more a year than the 4-2 schedule. Further, the start times are bid, so no more b.s. of w/cs bouncing people! I agree some adaptation needs to be done regarding the start times, however give the 10 hours schedule a chance.
I'll work a 10 hr day, not a 10.5 hr day. And I'll only agree to it if there are 3 watches with the 5-6 hr overlap on 3rd watch to midnights when the most manpower is needed on the street. But this 2 watch, 10.5 hr schedule with the starting times they are using? That they shove up their ass. Listening Garry?
does a watch actually do a 8.5 hr day?? 10.5 hr day will work itself down to a 9 hr day when all said and done
Do we all forget we "work" 9hr shift now? with that one weekend that rolls around ever 5weeks or so? they call in cars now at 945 so next watch can hit the street.
"UPDATE: Does anyone actually think a Unit does a 10-hour day? Please."
They all do-it's all overtime.
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